tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post3609688826094406131..comments2009-02-17T11:18:36.983-05:00Just Me, Amber!http://www.blogger.com/profile/16089303871838885135noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-84273139250511332482009-02-17T11:18:00.000-05:002009-02-17T11:18:00.000-05:00Just came here through a link from an Ubuntu newsletter.<BR/><BR/>I can't speak for Jef, but based on the questions he's asking, here's where he may be heading.<BR/><BR/>A patch is usually issued to either fix a bug in the software or to improve its functionality. In either case, sometimes an effect of applying a patch causes a change that the user notices, either for good or for bad. "Bad" can be because the patch broke something or causes user confusion. At this point, the user calls for help. If it's a problem with the patch, then yet another patch is sometimes created that fixes a previous patch. In these cases, it would have been better to wait to apply the first patch so that others could discover problems (i.e., "be a guinea pig") first. <BR/><BR/>On the other hand, if a patch fixes some important security problem, it's better to apply it right away.<BR/><BR/>Because of these conflicting requirements, there is an ongoing debate as how to deal with patches, both as individuals and also as organizational policy in larger companies. My belief is that no matter what you do, you WILL have problems sooner or later. Usually prescience is required to know whether or not to apply any particular patch. :-) <BR/><BR/><BR/>All this boils down to is that patches can sometimes cause problems, and it's a good idea to have someone around you can ask questions of if you need to, or for blogs/forums/wikis to accumulate information related to a patch. As you gain experience yourself, you will need assistance less and less often. <BR/><BR/>BTW, this applies to ANY operating system, not just Linux. Each one has its own idiosyncrasies.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, Jef, if I'm putting words in your mouth.---dcmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08770066905986325065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-68422071176923870032009-02-14T01:35:00.000-05:002009-02-14T01:35:00.000-05:00MagicFab,<BR/><BR/>When / if you get to use any IRC, don't forget to check the #ubuntu-women channel.<BR/><BR/>I figured it out..talked to some women tonight..got some great advice, and signed up for the Ubuntu Women Mailing list. I feel like I'm on a roll. Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated. :)Just Me, Amber!http://www.blogger.com/profile/16089303871838885135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-82116248112798934782009-02-14T00:27:00.000-05:002009-02-14T00:27:00.000-05:00D Anderson<BR/><BR/>Q:I have never used a MAC. Does a MAC update any of the programs that are installed (Firefox, Open Office etc...)<BR/>A: No, it only updates the Mac software (from what I can tell.) With Firefox, Micosoft, Neo office they seem to install their own updaters (if that's a word) and I get get notifications, but I don't think it is part of the original Mac/apple update stuff. I could be wrong as I am no expert. If some else knows how this works better than me and can explain it better please do.Just Me, Amber!http://www.blogger.com/profile/16089303871838885135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-81059559099287474412009-02-14T00:21:00.000-05:002009-02-14T00:21:00.000-05:00To Everyone that is encouraging me - Thank you. I will continue to Blog my honest experiences with Ubuntu. (The Good, The Bad, or the Ugly). It really means a lot.<BR/><BR/>So far the only issue that I have encountered that was a negative one was when I suspended my machine and when it resumed my panel did not look the same. I don't know enough about it to file a bug report. I don't think I can just say, "it didn't look and work the same, so I had to log out the log back in then it worked fine." Not sure that is technical enough but what would I know. Plus I need to get online and figure out how to file one.Just Me, Amber!http://www.blogger.com/profile/16089303871838885135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-80917681966583813462009-02-14T00:10:00.000-05:002009-02-14T00:10:00.000-05:00Jef,<BR/><BR/>Again find myself answering Jef, (if the rest of you will be patient I promise I will comment/answer you as well)<BR/><BR/>Q: In your previous linux attempts who was responsible for applying updates? you or your husband? <BR/>A: It was both of us depending on which computer and who happened to be using it at the time.<BR/><BR/>Q: And what was the policy they used for choosing when to apply updates? Were they applied as soon as they were available? Time-based, like every week? Or was it sporadically...say right before you husband left town.<BR/>A: They we applied as soon as they were available, they were never a last minute walking out the door hope it works for you type of update.<BR/><BR/>Q:Was there an effort to only apply security related updates or were all available updates applied?<BR/>A:All updates were applied.<BR/><BR/>Q: Do you plan to follow the same update policy this time or will you be making changes in how you approach applying updates?<BR/>A: I plan on applying any updates as they become available<BR/><BR/>Q:On your Mac, what is the policy you use to apply updates? Do you apply all updates on your mac as soon as they are available or sporadically?<BR/>A: I apply the updates soon as they are available.<BR/><BR/>With the way you worded all these questions are you a lawyer in your spare time. :) <BR/><BR/>I don't understand all the questions about updates. I am new to all this and like I said in my 1st posting I am NOT relying on my husband and his expertise. I welcome help and encouragement, so I am beginning to be confused by your questions.Just Me, Amber!http://www.blogger.com/profile/16089303871838885135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-8740661060143494132009-02-13T16:48:00.000-05:002009-02-13T16:48:00.000-05:00Great read. As a long time Linux user/admin who has struggled with how to introduce friends and family to the OS I always find this type of story interesting and informative. I sometime loose sight of the difficulties and tials other have to go through in trying to use Linux to support their work flow.<BR/><BR/>Can't wait to hear how it works out for you and good luck.Charles Hhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07501438198935320185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-71206162546887234442009-02-13T15:35:00.000-05:002009-02-13T15:35:00.000-05:00Just a few questions for you concerning how you've handled updates in the past.<BR/><BR/>In your previous linux attempts who was responsible for applying updates? you or your husband? <BR/><BR/>And what was the policy they used for choosing when to apply updates? Were they applied as soon as they were available? Time-based, like every week? Or was it sporadically...say right before you husband left town.<BR/> <BR/>Was there an effort to only apply security related updates or were all available updates applied?<BR/><BR/>Do you plan to follow the same update policy this time or will you be making changes in how you approach applying updates?<BR/><BR/>On your Mac, what is the policy you use to apply updates? Do you apply all updates on your mac as soon as they are available or sporadically?<BR/><BR/>-jefJef Spaletahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11439754449677675460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-40536770825754244452009-02-13T12:31:00.000-05:002009-02-13T12:31:00.000-05:00I have never used a MAC. Does a MAC update any of the programs that are installed (Firefox, Open Office etc...)<BR/>This is one of the more important features that I see using Ubuntu. Its also hard to beat the price!D Andersonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14066595790186012789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-56559525024508394862009-02-13T11:53:00.000-05:002009-02-13T11:53:00.000-05:00great you enjoyed it!(``-_-´´) -- BUGabundohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14640806822003281619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-32321708553038300742009-02-13T10:57:00.000-05:002009-02-13T10:57:00.000-05:00Awesome.<BR/><BR/>In my household, i'm the Unix geek. My wife, who has a Master of Divinity (compared to my BS) will use my Linux machine if she has to, but with instructions on how to do specific tasks. Her machine isn't a Mac. It's Windows. I don't run Windows unless my employer makes me. Even then, i'll slip in a Knoppix disk or even do a full Linux install. They can slam it when i leave.<BR/><BR/>So i get to do phone support for an OS i don't use, and much more frequently than if it were a Mac. There is nothing, as near as i can tell, worse than phone support with your spouse. My side of the conversation goes like this... Don't get ahead of me... OK, what did you type? ... All right, we're going to start over again - really, i can't see what's on your screen, so you'll just have to wait for me...<BR/><BR/>She got a cell phone - one i've never seen before, and wanted to know how to do something. I walked her through it. Never mind that i don't use a cell myself... And failure is not an option.Stephenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03934169832326108710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-4404940072372827962009-02-13T09:32:00.000-05:002009-02-13T09:32:00.000-05:00When / if you get to use any IRC, don't forget to check the #ubuntu-women channel.MagicFabhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16552790971744201006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-34739150263636343142009-02-13T09:31:00.000-05:002009-02-13T09:31:00.000-05:00Any resemblance to my reality is pure coincidence. While I was reading I thought you were talking about me. I'll let you know once I also achieve my goals. Thanks, you inspire people like me to don't give up.Elvirahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07415637350113389120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-7502968782799423552009-02-13T09:21:00.000-05:002009-02-13T09:21:00.000-05:00Great experiment! Be sure to write about all annoyances and faults. As it's free software, there's a good chance they could be actually fixed :-)topylihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16145461587946073639noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-21339912655056154792009-02-13T09:11:00.000-05:002009-02-13T09:11:00.000-05:00Amber, just follow your mind and don't listen your husband!<BR/>Opensource is making a great job for the community, but if you feel good using OSX, it's fine :D<BR/>Besides, the best opensource software (Firefox, Openoffice, GIMP?) are for Mac too! of curse the software like MS Office, iWork and iTunes are better ;)Byte Corruptohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07600876452173553157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2051910902944146900.post-15123294384920686242009-02-13T08:31:00.000-05:002009-02-13T08:31:00.000-05:00Good for you! Even if you finally see that Linux is not what you want and that you still prefer Mac over Linux for daily use, this will be a great experience for you. You will learn a lot of things. And by writting about your experience you help people to improve Linux.ktzarhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11954904831205748961noreply@blogger.com